Tragic News: Cycling advocate and forum member killed
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Re: Tragic News: Cycling advocate and forum member killed
Postby chriso_29er » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:25 pm
Interesting last comments in this story. Considering the little information out there about this tragic incident.
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Re: Tragic News: Cycling advocate and forum member killed
Postby trailgumby » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:46 pm
Some information is not in the public domain. Given what I have heard I am gobsmacked the killer is still driving at this time.chriso_29er wrote:Interesting last comments in this story. Considering the little information out there about this tragic incident.
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Re: Tragic News: Cycling advocate and forum member killed
Postby queequeg » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:52 pm
https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/blog/2018/1 ... loundra-4/
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Re: Tragic News: Cycling advocate and forum member killed
Postby Comedian » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:48 pm
Both charges are far more serious than MPDL.queequeg wrote:Police have charged the driver....drugs Curiously, they are not also charging him with violation of the MPD rule.
https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/blog/2018/1 ... loundra-4/
The concern is they go in front of a jury of motorists.
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Re: Tragic News: Cycling advocate and forum member killed
Postby queequeg » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:15 pm
Yeah, that’s what I meant...they are putting all their eggs in one basket. If they get a jury of motorists and all they have is one charge, then realistically he can walk away without so much as a demerit point.Comedian wrote:Both charges are far more serious than MPDL.queequeg wrote:Police have charged the driver....drugs Curiously, they are not also charging him with violation of the MPD rule.
https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/blog/2018/1 ... loundra-4/
The concern is they go in front of a jury of motorists.
The reason I mention it is because it all the close passes that Cameron reported to police, so you’s think they would be all over this one.
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Re: Tragic News: Cycling advocate and forum member killed
Postby trailgumby » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:22 pm
He hit Cameron from the left. The damage was on the rightside of the car.Comedian wrote:Both charges are far more serious than MPDL.queequeg wrote:Police have charged the driver....drugs Curiously, they are not also charging him with violation of the MPD rule.
https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/blog/2018/1 ... loundra-4/
The concern is they go in front of a jury of motorists.
Unfortunately the rule is very restrictive in its wording, Drivers can only get pinged for close passing you if over taking on the right.
I presume this is because passing on the left is illegal for cars, however it leaves open close shaving when cyclists are turning right or drivers are passing in a lane on the left.
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Re: Tragic News: Cycling advocate and forum member killed
Postby MichaelB » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:42 am
Let’s hope the sentence reflects the gravity of the offence. Hope driver pleads guilty and doesn’t try and claim some crap excuse
Recently in SA, guy got 2+years for killing a cyclist whilst drunk.
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Re: Tragic News: Cycling advocate and forum member killed
Postby queequeg » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:09 pm
Yes, I can see that the law restricts the passing to the right. That means that cyclists having to use facilities that cross over on/off ramps or slip lanes can have cars racing past at high speed from the left within mm to spare, and be perfectly legal.trailgumby wrote:He hit Cameron from the left. The damage was on the rightside of the car.Comedian wrote:Both charges are far more serious than MPDL.queequeg wrote:Police have charged the driver....drugs Curiously, they are not also charging him with violation of the MPD rule.
https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/blog/2018/1 ... loundra-4/
The concern is they go in front of a jury of motorists.
Unfortunately the rule is very restrictive in its wording, Drivers can only get pinged for close passing you if over taking on the right.
I presume this is because passing on the left is illegal for cars, however it leaves open close shaving when cyclists are turning right or drivers are passing in a lane on the left.
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Re: Tragic News: Cycling advocate and forum member killed
Postby find_bruce » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:30 pm
Fortunately however they are not usually a jury of drug users. Juries & judges are usually pretty good in relation to seeing the danger of people who are drug or alcohol affected - the difficulty is when the driver was "merely" dangerously incompetentComedian wrote:Both charges are far more serious than MPDL.
The concern is they go in front of a jury of motorists.
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Re: Tragic News: Cycling advocate and forum member killed
Postby Comedian » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:39 pm
Apparently the drugs (whatever they were) were traces, so it's unclear whether they were enough to impair driving. I'm sure they will be arguing it didn't affect the driving.find_bruce wrote:Fortunately however they are not usually a jury of drug users. Juries & judges are usually pretty good in relation to seeing the danger of people who are drug or alcohol affected - the difficulty is when the driver was "merely" dangerously incompetentComedian wrote:Both charges are far more serious than MPDL.
The concern is they go in front of a jury of motorists.
But it's really hard to see what the excuse will be..
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Re: Tragic News: Cycling advocate and forum member killed
Postby queequeg » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:05 pm
I'm not sure what is worse. Hitting because there were trace amounts of drugs, or hitting him even though he may try to argue that the drugs had no effect...in which case, it just comes down to plain dangerous/incompetent driving?Comedian wrote:Apparently the drugs (whatever they were) were traces, so it's unclear whether they were enough to impair driving. I'm sure they will be arguing it didn't affect the driving.find_bruce wrote:Fortunately however they are not usually a jury of drug users. Juries & judges are usually pretty good in relation to seeing the danger of people who are drug or alcohol affected - the difficulty is when the driver was "merely" dangerously incompetentComedian wrote:Both charges are far more serious than MPDL.
The concern is they go in front of a jury of motorists.
But it's really hard to see what the excuse will be..
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Re: Tragic News: Cycling advocate and forum member killed
Postby Comedian » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:53 pm
Given the nature of the collision I think the driver will struggle to get away with the standard "Ooopsie". I'm told he had to swerve across a vacant lane and go onto the road shoulder to hit Cameron.queequeg wrote:I'm not sure what is worse. Hitting because there were trace amounts of drugs, or hitting him even though he may try to argue that the drugs had no effect...in which case, it just comes down to plain dangerous/incompetent driving?Comedian wrote:Apparently the drugs (whatever they were) were traces, so it's unclear whether they were enough to impair driving. I'm sure they will be arguing it didn't affect the driving.find_bruce wrote:Fortunately however they are not usually a jury of drug users. Juries & judges are usually pretty good in relation to seeing the danger of people who are drug or alcohol affected - the difficulty is when the driver was "merely" dangerously incompetent
But it's really hard to see what the excuse will be..
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