BNA Losers Club

[blokeinamoke]

I hope you all dont mind my jumping in here rather late to the party...

9/10/20
111kg (AT) 181cm
Usual story, had a fiancee, would do runs etc together got down to 95kg, relationship breakdown, booze, terrible eating, absolutely zero exercise. That was close to 2yrs ago. Getting worried about my health now (im 33), developed some plantar fasciitis earlier this year (lack of exercise and added weight are definitely big contributors) So i guess this is my accountability spiel. New roadie this week, going to be realistic and aim for 3 commutes a week (30km/day) and try to get some of this eating rubbish out of the way now. Big props to the rest of ya!

[Warnesy]

Look forward to seeing your progress. Good luck with it!

[Nobody]

I think that it's a good idea. I agree with your changes.

Thanks for your support RobertL

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10/10/20

59.6 kg, 0.4 loss, BMI 20.1

Until we are clear of the threat of COVID-19, my current goal is to keep my weight below 61 kg. History shows that won't be an easy task for me.

[Nobody]

So I've been thinking about estimating the ideal weight for health again and believe that the standard weight calculator formulas are all too high. That is with the assumption that they are designed to estimate weight before breakfast and with the minimum of clothing. Like when you go for a comprehensive medical exam. For example, in my case - male, 172 cm tall - the results came out to be between 64.8 and 69.1 kg depending on the formula.

Considering the studies on weight and COVID-19 complications suggest the_lighter_the_better approach, I went back to Kempner's chart (below). I believe Kemper was relevant because he was only interested in improving his patient's health.
His chart (below) was for people that were fully dressed. From the pictures from 1966, it looks like fully dressed for men was a minimum of short sleave, jacketless formal wear (by today's standards). So I weighed my formal clothes using differential weighing, to get 1.6 kg. So I would estimate realistically between 1.6 and 2 kg. Or 2 kg to be safe. His weights were also the maximum acceptable to him. So again for my height of 172 cm that works out to be 2/3 of the difference between 5'7" and 5'8". So that is 2/3 of 5 lb = 3.33 lb. Adding the 135 lb (for 5'7") = 138.33 lb, which is 62.75 kg. Subtracting 2 kg for being fully dressed makes 60.75 or below. So Kempner preferred men of my height to be under a BMI of 20.5. At a time where it's normal in AU for people to be in the mid overweight range, such a low BMI seems very unrealistic. But the COVID-19 complications studies and Kempners work both point to an ideal weight for general health that is a lot lighter than most people currently think it is.

Kempner's Optimum Weight Chart

[Nobody]

17/10/20

60.8 kg, 1.2 kg gain, BMI 20.6

Waist 74.5 cm, 1 cm gain, WHtR 0.433

I expected to gain weight this week as I did some experimenting and wanted to pull out of the continued losses. I proved to myself - once again - that macronutrient ratio can trump calorie density in weight management. At least in my case. So now I'll get back to making them both work together again. The above also shows that despite my current weight, I could easily be very overweight again in a short period of time if I went back to my old ways. So I'm not naturally slim in my middle age. Which is just like the rest of my overweight family.

[Nobody]

22/10/20

60.9 kg, 0.1 kg gain, BMI 20.6

Waist 74.0 cm, 0.5 cm loss, WHtR 0.430

Waist down but weight up. I'm now eating a bit more veg by weigh. So the residual of that the next day should still add to my body weight. At least I appear to be fairly stable so far. Saturday should give me another indication.

[Nobody]

24/10/20

60.3 kg, 0.6 kg loss, BMI 20.4

Waist 74.5 cm, 0.5 cm gain, WHtR 0.433

I suspect this weight loss might be just lower hydration.

[Nobody]

31/10/20

60.2 kg, 0.1 kg loss, BMI 20.3

Waist 73.5 cm, 1.0 cm loss, WHtR 0.427

[Nobody]

14/11/20

60.9 kg, 0.7 kg gain, BMI 20.6

Waist 74.5 cm, 1.0 cm gain, WHtR 0.433

[Nobody]

21/11/20

60.0 kg, 0.9 kg loss, BMI 20.3

Waist 74 cm, 0.5 cm loss, WHtR 0.430

This loss might be due to hydration (again). I wouldn't be surprised to gain it all back by next week. The only good news is that I'm managing to keep my weight a bit more stable than I have in the past.

[Nobody]

Article related to study.

Age is no barrier to successful weight loss

When compared, the two groups were equivalent statistically, with those aged 60 years and over on average reducing their body weight by 7.3% compared with a body weight reduction of 6.9% in those aged under 60 years.

[Nobody]

28/11/20

60.3 kg, 0.3 kg gain, BMI 20.4

Waist 74 cm, same, WHtR 0.430

[blokeinamoke]

I hope you all dont mind my jumping in here rather late to the party...

9/10/20
111kg (AT) 181cm
Usual story, had a fiancee, would do runs etc together got down to 95kg, relationship breakdown, booze, terrible eating, absolutely zero exercise. That was close to 2yrs ago. Getting worried about my health now (im 33), developed some plantar fasciitis earlier this year (lack of exercise and added weight are definitely big contributors) So i guess this is my accountability spiel. New roadie this week, going to be realistic and aim for 3 commutes a week (30km/day) and try to get some of this eating rubbish out of the way now. Big props to the rest of ya!

I went well up to 115kg for a couple of weeks before deciding that was ridiculous...

Tightened up the diet, and started doing some more physical activity 3-4 times a week. The commuting has been a little harder due to lack of end of ride facilities annoyingly...

Anyways,
3/12/20

108.9kg

Havent checked actual waist measurements, but had to tighten my belt this morning, i guess thats a good sign.

[RobertL]

I haven't posted in here for a while. I think that I've gained a kilo or so since my lightest, but I haven't noticed it in my clothing (and I wouldn't expect to for 1kg).

I'm pretty much just cruising until Christmas and the new year. Still riding heaps and paying attention to what I eat, but not worrying about any of it too much.

I'll see what happens when I start training harder in the new year.

[Nobody]

I haven't been posting here lately because I'm not in weight loss/maintenance mode. But since I did a medical and physical for work today, I thought I'd post the results since the measurements were done by professionals.

Afternoon height 172 cm. And yes it does make a difference when the measurement is taken. Especially as you get older. At least I haven't been overstating my height, because their measurement is the same as what I've been using as my nominal height.

Afternoon weight, clothed 63.9 kg. By differential weighing I found my clothes were 1.1 kg. So that is a BMI of 21.6 with clothes, or 21.2 without.

[Nobody]

As regular readers know, I have an interest in finding the ideal BMI for health. Previously in this post I surmised that a lower BMI of around 20.5 or lower for a man was ideal for avoiding chronic disease and possibly being less symptomatic from COVID-19. While both the study in the first post of this thread and this one from a recent Nutrition Facts video both indicate a BMI of 20 - 22 is optimal.


The image is also from the video.


Then the question is what kind of weight data are they reporting on. Is it self reported bathroom scales, or doctor's office records? I'd say it's more likely to be the latter. If so, I'd say that the weights they are based on are from people who at least ate breakfast, drank some beverage/liquid and were wearing at least 1 kg of clothing. If that is the case, then that makes the ideal weight at least 2 kg lighter than indicated above. Also its a unisex chart. The variation between the sexes can be a 5 kg for the same height. So on average you could add 2.5 kg for male, or subtract 2.5 kg for female.

Regardless of what we take into account, most would agree that these are very low numbers compared with the average AU BMI. So that is why I encourage people who want to lose weight to set really low weight goals. Because as can be seen, it's very difficult to become too light in reference to health.

[RobertL]

After losing weight for several years, I got to a point last year where I was regularly weighing at at 86 point something kgs. Occasionally slipping back over 87, but not for long.

I went on holiday in September, and seemed to gain and keep 1kg or so. Then Christmas was a bit relaxed in the eating and drinking department.

So, I was very, very happy to weigh in this morning at 87.0kg.

My bike team has started a wight loss group and "contest". Frankly, there's some guys there who need to lose more than me so if they get serious I won't be able to "win".

According to those BMI charts, I need to get sub-80kg, which will be very difficult. I'm not going to target that, but just keep eating well and riding my bike and see how I go.

[Nobody]

According to those BMI charts, I need to get sub-80kg, which will be very difficult. I'm not going to target that, but just keep eating well and riding my bike and see how I go.

As you very likely know by now, the weight set point equation is loosely, genetics + diet + exercise [plus enough time to change] = weight. For your genetics, I doubt exercise will do much more for you. Which only leaves a diet change. Knowing how long it has taken you to get to 86 kg, I'm confident in saying that it's unlikely you'll get under 85 (all things being equal) unless there is a bigger than normal deviation from your status-quo.

[Nobody]

Last morning weigh in 28/11/2020.

Today, 7/2/2021:

61.4 kg, 1.1 gain, BMI 20.8

Waist 74.5 cm, 0.5 gain, WHtR 0.433

Haven't been watching my weight in the last couple of months. More interested in getting some cycling gains, which usually requires more food.

[Nobody]

Last morning weigh in 7/2/2021.

Today, 6/3/2021:

61.7 kg, 0.4 gain, BMI 20.9

Waist 75 cm, 0.5 gain, WHtR 0.436

Been about a month since last weigh in. Still not focused on my weight.

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Came across another body mass index standard which has been around for a long time, but didn't become popular. It's called the Corpulence index (CI) and is weight in kg divided by one's cubed height in metres. It is supposed to be more accurate than BMI. It gives similar results regardless of height, unlike BMI which skews the extremes in height. The problem is people on average increase in weight at the rate of the exponent of 2.25 in reference to height, so not squared (BMI) and not cubed (CI). So it makes both indexes less than totally accurate. Also like BMI, it doesn't take into account for body composition like the WHtR measurement. One aspect I like about it, but probably is one reason for its lack of popularity, is it doesn't have a broad range for normal weight. It just has the normal weight index number of 12 - which really is ideal weight - that is quite hard to achieve. For example, I have a CI of 12.1 currently, so a BMI of approximately 21 is still over "normal weight" for CI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpulence_index

[Nobody]

Obesity as a multi-factorial disease. Perspective from someone who specializes in the area.



Interesting that 42% of US population is obese. So the obesogenic environment they briefly touch on appears to have a larger influence there than in most countries. Also obesity has tripled since 1975, which is the time food policy changed in the US after the McGovern report. Coincidence? I doubt it.

[Nobody]

Today 28/9/2021.

[Edit: Weight removed as suspect the scales were reading inaccurately that day, due to floor position.]

Waist 72.5 cm
(WHtR 0.422)

Just marking a low point due to low hydration from a ride the previous day. I'll probably gain a kg or so over the next day in hydration.

[Nobody]

Today 9/10/2021.

58.5 kg
(BMI 19.8, CI 11.5)

Waist 72 cm
(WHtR 0.419)

Shouldn't be dehydrated this time and the waist to height ratio appears to match the weight. This is a morning before breakfast weight measurement, which is the most accurate. There is no point weighing food, water or clothes if you want consistency. Also the food intake on the previous day needs to be consistent with your normal eating pattern if you want consistent results.

[Nobody]

This morning 22/10/2021.

58.5 kg
(BMI 19.8, CI 11.5)

Waist 72.5 cm
(WHtR 0.422)

To give another point of reference, I was 62.3 kg yesterday evening fully clothed (BMI 21.1). Not surprising considering I ate about 3.8 kg of food yesterday and that the clothes weighed 2.5 kg. The evening weight still met Kempner's body weight specification, which was posted earlier in this thread here. So it can be done. Even at middle age or older. And yes I started with an average Australian overweight BMI of over 27.

[Nobody]

This morning, before breakfast:

58 kg
(BMI 19.6)

Waist 72 cm
(WHtR 0.419)

My lowest adult weight ever.

I'm gong to try to stay lighter while Covid-19 is still a threat. Being lighter and eating healthier have both been proven to lower the risk of severe symptoms.