Benefits to buy e-bikes, but not anything else?

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Benefits to buy e-bikes, but not anything else?

Postby g-boaf » Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:04 pm

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 5jyjl.html

What about others who want to do similar with a non-electric bike?
The National Automotive Leasing and Salary Packaging Association is calling for e-bikes to be eligible for an exemption from fringe benefits tax, regardless of whether they are used to commute to work.

“The problem is [that] awareness of the fringe benefit tax exemption is low, and even if you find out about it, the current restriction on private use acts as a significant disincentive to an employee looking to salary package an e-bike,” association chief executive Rohan Martin said.
The same thing should apply to all bicycles, or if not, none of them.

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Re: Benefits to buy e-bikes, but not anything else?

Postby zebee » Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:23 pm

Because it never occurred to them that a non-powered bike costs more than a few hundred.

They used to allow motorcycles but stopped that. If they allow e-bikes should be all two wheelers.

Of course they should stop this stupid rort that just encourages car use and congestion.

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Re: Benefits to buy e-bikes, but not anything else?

Postby uart » Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:15 pm

g-boaf wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:04 pm
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 5jyjl.html
What about others who want to do similar with a non-electric bike?
If it does become a thing, and only for e-bikes, then just duct tape a battery to your roadie, take a photo of it, and claim it anyway. If you get called out on it, then just say that your bike identifies as an e-bike. ;)

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Re: Benefits to buy e-bikes, but not anything else?

Postby Mr Purple » Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:22 pm

uart wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:15 pm
If it does become a thing, and only for e-bikes, then just duct tape a battery to your roadie, take a photo of it, and claim it anyway. If you get called out on it, then just say that your bike identifies as an e-bike. ;)
Di2 = batteries = e-bike.

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Re: Benefits to buy e-bikes, but not anything else?

Postby g-boaf » Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:37 pm

uart wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:15 pm
g-boaf wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:04 pm
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 5jyjl.html
What about others who want to do similar with a non-electric bike?
If it does become a thing, and only for e-bikes, then just duct tape a battery to your roadie, take a photo of it, and claim it anyway. If you get called out on it, then just say that your bike identifies as an e-bike. ;)
I have two e-tap batteries and two CR2032 at least.

Anyhow that bike and the one before it are both getting to high mileage. :) So probably wouldn’t count.

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Re: Benefits to buy e-bikes, but not anything else?

Postby CmdrBiggles » Mon Aug 05, 2024 7:48 pm

g-boaf wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:37 pm
uart wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:15 pm
g-boaf wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:04 pm
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 5jyjl.html
What about others who want to do similar with a non-electric bike?
If it does become a thing, and only for e-bikes, then just duct tape a battery to your roadie, take a photo of it, and claim it anyway. If you get called out on it, then just say that your bike identifies as an e-bike. ;)
I have two e-tap batteries and two CR2032 at least.

Anyhow that bike and the one before it are both getting to high mileage. :) So probably wouldn’t count.

I have 3 -tap batteries (front, rear, spare), a lithium button (spider-integral power meter), an lithium button battery in each shifter...
Where once not long ago I had all cables and the only batteries were in the front and rear lights...

Never, ever thought I'd see the day I would be riding an actual e-bike!

Something wrong with the definition? Do tell. The present-day crop of fancy velos are one of (or all!) electronic bikes with wireless transmissions, wireless transmission with electronic shifting or short-and-sweet, very plainly...e-bikes.

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Re: Benefits to buy e-bikes, but not anything else?

Postby AdelaidePeter » Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:44 pm

Fringe benefits tax is paid when a vehicle is provided to the employee by the employer, as a "fringe benefit". I think it would be pretty rare for employers to provide a non-electric bike as a fringe benefit, though I guess some might.

Anyway I don't see why a cyclist should object to this proposal. It would still helping some people out of cars and onto bikes.

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Re: Benefits to buy e-bikes, but not anything else?

Postby fat and old » Tue Aug 06, 2024 5:38 pm

Fisher said a novated lease enabled him to afford a high-end bike worth $16,000
What e-bike is 16k?

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Re: Benefits to buy e-bikes, but not anything else?

Postby find_bruce » Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:33 pm

fat and old wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 5:38 pm
What e-bike is 16k?
Scott Lumen is $24,300 but I suppose you could settle for a Trek Rail at $16k
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Re: Benefits to buy e-bikes, but not anything else?

Postby fat and old » Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:24 am

find_bruce wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:33 pm
fat and old wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 5:38 pm
What e-bike is 16k?
Scott Lumen is $24,300 but I suppose you could settle for a Trek Rail at $16k

:shock: At least the Trek has a Knock Block 2.0. No more unwanted pregnancies 8)

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Re: Benefits to buy e-bikes, but not anything else?

Postby CmdrBiggles » Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:36 pm

find_bruce wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:33 pm
fat and old wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 5:38 pm
What e-bike is 16k?
Scott Lumen is $24,300 but I suppose you could settle for a Trek Rail at $16k

No thanks.
The weight of those things mean that electric assist is almost a given just to get moving!
Looked over one just for fun in my local shop yesterday afternoon — could not even lift it off the rack for its weight.
Move eyes to the true, hard-core competition MTBs nearby and their dramatic loss of weight is profound to experience.

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Re: Benefits to buy e-bikes, but not anything else?

Postby find_bruce » Thu Aug 08, 2024 1:48 pm

CmdrBiggles wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:36 pm
No thanks.
The weight of those things mean that electric assist is almost a given just to get moving!
Looked over one just for fun in my local shop yesterday afternoon — could not even lift it off the rack for its weight.
Move eyes to the true, hard-core competition MTBs nearby and their dramatic loss of weight is profound to experience.
If you cannot lift 15.5kg I would recommend adding some weight training to your workouts to stave off osteoporosis
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Re: Benefits to buy e-bikes, but not anything else?

Postby jasonc » Thu Aug 08, 2024 2:56 pm

Mr Purple wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:22 pm
uart wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:15 pm
If it does become a thing, and only for e-bikes, then just duct tape a battery to your roadie, take a photo of it, and claim it anyway. If you get called out on it, then just say that your bike identifies as an e-bike. ;)
Di2 = batteries = e-bike.
would love to try this

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Re: Benefits to buy e-bikes, but not anything else?

Postby CmdrBiggles » Thu Aug 08, 2024 3:36 pm

find_bruce wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2024 1:48 pm
CmdrBiggles wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:36 pm
No thanks.
The weight of those things mean that electric assist is almost a given just to get moving!
Looked over one just for fun in my local shop yesterday afternoon — could not even lift it off the rack for its weight.
Move eyes to the true, hard-core competition MTBs nearby and their dramatic loss of weight is profound to experience.
If you cannot lift 15.5kg I would recommend adding some weight training to your workouts to stave off osteoporosis
:lol:

No need for Harvard. Got plenty of specialists who take care of an Australian record-breaking 47 year old kidney transplant (of which Harvard does have an interest!), which very long-term immunosuppressive therapy has lead to osteoporosis. The treatment and adjunct therapy like whole-body exercise and mobility is very good. I have staved off/recovered very well with Risedronate once-a-week (gold standard for treatment). Have gained 14% density in hips and 18% in spine, and certainly overnight bushwalking with a pack and carrying a 14kg pack of camera gear has helped.

The e-bike I think you linked is 23.5kg; they are certainly almost double 15kg (esp. Trek's models). Very few people can lift that sort of thing easily; I have seen women with e-bikes summon the conductor on V/Line trains to help them load these bikes on and off!

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Re: Benefits to buy e-bikes, but not anything else?

Postby warthog1 » Thu Aug 08, 2024 4:26 pm

The Scott Lumen he linked is listed as 15.5kg

https://www.bikeexchange.com.au/en-AU/p ... 0000362530
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