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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres
Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:14 pm
by foo on patrol
CmdrBiggles wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 3:04 pm
foo on patrol wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 12:42 pm
I just don't get coffee shop riders spending money like this on tyres and then jump up n down because they puncture 2klms down the road or wear them out in a couple of months.
Foo
The tread is likely very thin, around 1.6 to 1.8mm, so it's not going to be very robust when that speck of glass looks up and aims straight for the centre tread bearing down on it.
"Coffee shop riders", lol!
They'd be the same crew who buy $25,000-plus DOGMAs,only to ride to the coast for coffee on Saturday mornings and church on Sunday.
How do I know this?
DOGMAs and Cervélos are in my riding group, and these guys only ride at weekends, being, as they are, involved in professions and high office that provides them with the filthy lucre to afford such extravagant toys. If they get a puncture, the missues is summoned and they are picked up in a salubrious 'Benz and whisked away to save them any embarrassment of toiling away trying to find and fix a puncture.
Foo
Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 1:48 pm
by MichaelB
After almost wearing out a set of the Conti GP Urban 35's Just stuck a new one on the back) on the iCAN Commuter, and now only have 2 spares, I started browsing for the replacements.
Whilst they're good, I'm annoyed (1st world issue) at them being labelled 35 when they are actually 33, and this seems to be pretty common these days, and wanting something a bit bigger, ended up getting a pair of Pirelli P ZERO Race TLR Tubeless Tyre (Speedcore) in the 40mm size.
Whilst few have tested the 40mm size, BRR has done
the 32mm version and rated them well.
The 40mm will be better for the very tree root infested path I take, and with better grip, reduced RR and improved puncture resistance, decided to take a plunge. They weren't any cheaper from OS, so got them from ccache.
Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 11:46 am
by MichaelB
MichaelB wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2024 1:48 pm
After almost wearing out a set of the Conti GP Urban 35's Just stuck a new one on the back) on the iCAN Commuter, and now only have 2 spares, I started browsing for the replacements.
Whilst they're good, I'm annoyed (1st world issue) at them being labelled 35 when they are actually 33, and this seems to be pretty common these days, and wanting something a bit bigger, ended up getting a pair of Pirelli P ZERO Race TLR Tubeless Tyre (Speedcore) in the 40mm size.
Whilst few have tested the 40mm size, BRR has done
the 32mm version and rated them well.
The 40mm will be better for the very tree root infested path I take, and with better grip, reduced RR and improved puncture resistance, decided to take a plunge. They weren't any cheaper from OS, so got them from ccache.
Now the 40mm are tested
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... ace-tlr-40
Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:40 pm
by blizzard
The Bontrager Aeolus RSL TLR tested really well on BRR, fast and good tread coverage. I would consider these for my next set of tyres, if the price is ok... They are currently on sale for $118, which is more than I want spend.
Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 9:10 am
by MichaelB
blizzard wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:40 pm
The Bontrager Aeolus RSL TLR tested really well on BRR, fast and good tread coverage. I would consider these for my next set of tyres, if the price is ok... They are currently on sale for $118, which is more than I want spend.
Yep, the prices of tyres are still silly.
The PZero's I got were $92 ea, which is still crazy, but even the Conti Urbans are $65 ea, thinner, lower grip, higher RR, puncture resistance and not tubeless.
Will be interesting !!
Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:53 pm
by warthog1
I still have a $100- limit for bicycle tyres.
Even that is way more than it was 5 or so years ago.
But it is a quick wearing bloody bicycle tyre not a car or motorcycle tyre.
I aint paying ridiculous prices. Even 100 is getting pretty out there for what it is.
Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 9:40 pm
by foo on patrol
warthog1 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:53 pm
I still have a $100- limit for bicycle tyres.
Even that is way more than it was 5 or so years ago.
But it is a quick wearing bloody bicycle tyre not a car or motorcycle tyre.
I aint paying ridiculous prices. Even 100 is getting pretty out there for what it is.
I refuse to pay that amount for riding around the streets or on dirt. I'll pay $100+ for racing tyres but not coffee shop or training rides.
Foo
Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 10:46 pm
by warthog1
foo on patrol wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 9:40 pm
warthog1 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:53 pm
I still have a $100- limit for bicycle tyres.
Even that is way more than it was 5 or so years ago.
But it is a quick wearing bloody bicycle tyre not a car or motorcycle tyre.
I aint paying ridiculous prices. Even 100 is getting pretty out there for what it is.
I refuse to pay that amount for riding around the streets or on dirt. I'll pay $100+ for racing tyres but not coffee shop or training rides.
Foo
I like tubeless but they are very bloody expensive. I got my last few for 80 each. Schwalbe pro one.
Here's some for ya Foo.
https://www.tmosports.com.au/product/01 ... 3XrVsupaXg
Don't question them on WW about the price of those. It is "cutting edge technology" don't you know, of course they are expensive.
Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:25 am
by foo on patrol
That's just ridiculous money if just doing coffee shop rides or training. If training ride heavy and race light.
Foo
Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 8:26 am
by warthog1
foo on patrol wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:25 am
That's just ridiculous money if just doing coffee shop rides or training. If training ride heavy and race light.
Foo
I no longer race but I do ride.
I aint paying for those but good tubeless tyres are the bee's knees imo. Punctures are almost a thing of the past and ride and grip is great. Aint paying that though.
Tyre tech has moved on but they are charging stupid money it seems.
Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 8:57 am
by warthog1
Interesting concept the "whole train light, race heavy" idea. I did sort of do it a bit back when I did race but never rode Schwalbe marathons or the like, which would be the logical extension of the concept I guess. You ride good tyres it's hard to go back. I guess we all have our own limits and priorities. My willingness to spend is higher than some but lower than others. Cbfed racing now.
It has crept into other parts of the bike too. Wheels being one. I love carbon wheels and haven't ridden a shallow aluminium wheel on road for years. Disc brake takes it a step further, as removing the brake track from the wheel removes any negatives they have for me.
Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 9:42 am
by blizzard
$100 is my limit for tyres but I would rather ride nice tyres all the time, I don't do big k's on the roadie so $200 every couple years is ok. My last GP5000TL lasted almost 10,000km, and I only changed them because I had a set of Vittorias that had been in the garage for three years.
Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 11:18 am
by Mr Purple
Nice tyres make a huge difference, though I agree if you're spending much more than $100 (especially with my tyre usage) it's not worth it. It does annoy me that tyres for my cars don't cost that much more, though that's economy of scale I guess.
New bike has hookless rims so I'll be a bit limited from now - GP5000 TR, Schwalbe Pro 1 or Vittoria Corsa NEXT seem to be the only tyres I'd actually buy that are compatible.
Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 11:51 am
by blizzard
I think technically, you can use any tubeless tyre on Giant wheels at your own risk. The ones they say are compatible are the ones that meet their fairly rigourous tests. However, I would be erring on just running one of the listed tyres for piece of mind.
Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 1:34 pm
by Mr Purple
It seems a risk that is not worth taking. Especially when I've used all except the Schwalbe and found them entirely adequate.
In my experience the GP5000s dry out sealant slightly faster (I think they're more porous), and the Vittoria Corsa wear faster (literally half the mileage of the GP5000s).
Honestly looking at the numbers on RR I'm probably crazy to try anything other than the GP5000s. Though the Schwalbe are $85 versus $109 which adds up.
Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:19 pm
by warthog1
You should be able to use any tyre that is listed as hookless compatible, which is just about all of them from 28 and up now as long as you stay within the 72.5psi - 5bar etrto pressure limit.
My WR 50s are hookless. I have zero concerns. They are 25mm wide int. Running a 30mm Schwalbe pro one f and 32mm Michelin power road on the rear. 50 psi at each end is plenty hard at my 75kgs.
