Hasa Race 7.0 MTB

[Jean]

Where bought and price

Cyclingdeal.com.au for $989.00, plus about $60 shipping from Melbourne to Canberra.

How it is used

Cross country riding around Canberra (Mt Stromlo etc) - an average of one ride a week to break up the otherwise roadie focused tempo (I suppose that makes me a MTB weekend warrior). It also does the occasional low speed spin around the local bike paths with the kids.

Disclaimer

I am a roadie (since the early ‘90s – my racing glory days) and this is my first MTB. I reckon I know my way around road bikes, but this is the first MTB I have ridden for any amount of time and the first I have ridden off road. I have no MTB experience to compare this bike against, so you might want to keep that in mind.

Description

The heart of this bike is a 7005 Aluminium hard tail frame. The frame is welded (of course) and has a CNC cut-out in the head tube with a carbon fibre sleeve insert in its place. This sleeve might shave a gram or two (though I doubt it), but has no practical use as far as I can see. It appears to be a glorified way to present the head badge, which seems a bit of overkill, but there is nothing really wrong with it I suppose.

The frame, despite its low cost, seems to have a competition heritage. There are no bosses for panniers and what not, and generally the way it handles suggests to me (a MTB noob remember) that it would not be out of place on a XC start line, though I’m not sure of its weight.

Otherwise the equipment highlights are:
- Rockshox Tora SL fork.
- Shimano SLX transmission (except for a Deore FD), the cassette and chain are Shimano too; the crankset is a Truvativ ‘fived’.
- Avid Juicy 3 hydraulic disc brakes.
- Mavic 317 Disc rims laced to Hasa branded hubs with black anodised SS spokes (28-spoke 2-cross at both ends)
- Continental Explorer 26" x 2.1" tyres
- Hasa branded aluminium bars, stem and seatpost.
- San Marco Ponza (made in Taiwan) saddle.
- Comes with Wellgo flat pedals which, according to someone I spoke to, are copies of the old Shimano XT pedals. They seem quite good for what they are, but I have replaced them with Shimano clipless MTB pedals.

It is available with 16", 18" and 20" frames.

Positives

This bike has a high standard of specifications for its price. There is not, as far as I could find, any other c.$1000 MTB available with a Tora fork and hydraulic brakes. You might find a model run out deal to match it, but I think you would be doing pretty well.

The frame is well finished with neat, sturdy looking welds and the quality of the paint job, though not flawless, is high. On the trails the bike handles well, going where you want it to go and it feels sure footed. The frame, though still fairly new of course, is well made and feels like it will stand the punishment well. The guy I ride with is a downhiller and even on his XC bike goes downwards pretty aggressively. Trying to keep up with him gives my bike a vigourous workout and there’s been no problem, and I have no reason to expect one.

The mostly SLX drive train works well at all times and there are no complaints about that. Similarly the Avid Juicy 3 brakes pull you up nicely and offer pretty good modulation. There are, no doubt, better brake systems around, but these offer good bang for the buck.

The dealer offers a very good warranty: 5 years on the frame and 1–2 years on the parts.

Negatives

There are no real negatives, just a few quibbles:

- The Truvativ cranks are not very pretty, but do the job well enough for my needs. If I ever get MTB upgraditis (so far I only have the road strain) these will probably be the first thing to go.
- The stock seatpost was a 300mm job, which was too short for my needs. I bought a $17 replacement post from Velogear.com.au, which I have to say is an excellent basic post and maybe the best value piece of kit I have ever bought.
- The wheels are a bit of an unknown quantity. The Mavic rims are good (as you would expect) but the hubs are Taiwan generic, which could be good or bad in the long term. The wheels needed some tweaking when I got the bike (see below), but so far they are doing well and in all likelihood will last for ages. They are also cone and race bearing hubs, which I do not think is a negative, but for some people anything without cartridge bearings is a throwback to steam trains and whale oil lanterns – depends on your point of view.
- The QR seatpost clamp has been troublesome in that I have had difficulty adjusting it correctly to be releasable and also clamp properly. Maybe I just have not found the sweet spot yet, but in the meantime I have just cranked the bolt up and I am using it as a non-QR clamp.
- The stock saddle is a bit on the minimal side and may not suit everyone, though I have found it fine.
- You can have a white one, or a white one! The white’s nice, but the black ones on the Hasa website look better I must say.

Additional notes

Buying a Hasa was a bit of a punt. It is not a known brand here and I did a fair amount of internet searching to try to find out more. There was not a lot of info, but the upshot of my searching was that Hasa is in fact a real bike company located in Taiwan. Their bikes are not uncommon in parts of Asia and, if the photos are to be believed, their MTBs at least are ridden in races there. There are some suggestions on the intertubes that they also make stuff for other well-known major bike makers (Doesn’t everyone in Taiwan?).

To buy one in Australia requires you, as far as I know, to make an internet purchase from Cyclingdeal.com.au. This means you cannot try before you buy (though they are amenable to lay-by, and you can visit them if you are in Melbourne) and once you have it you need to get it road (trail?) worthy. The bike is advertised as 95 per cent assembled, and that is true, but that assembly is as it left the factory in Taiwan. You need to arrange the other 5 percent. Putting on the bars and stem is easy enough, but you also need to check everything is tight, tune the gears, set up the suspension and make sure the brakes work. In short do all the things a LBS does pre-delivery (or at least should do). I assembled it myself, but being a MTB noob I took it to my mechanic (who is not in a LBS) to check out. He found a few things that needed attention, mostly in the wheels where the hubs needed some grease, the cones were not as well adjusted as they should be, and where the rims needed a few tweaks in the truing stand. Depending on your skills you may need to factor in paying a mechanic to give it a good once over.

Internet buying also means you cannot modify the setup before delivery. As I said I have been up for a new seatpost and will probably go for a longer stem soon too.

I found Cyclingdeal good to deal with and responsive to my queries.

Recommendation

I would be lying if I said I was not a touch apprehensive about buying this bike, but now that I have it there was no reason to be. It is a good machine and excellent value for money. I am enjoying the XC riding I am doing on it and the general impression is that it is a well built bike which should last as long and perform as well as many more expensive and/or better known bikes. If you are new to MTB you could do a lot worse than buying one of these, and if you are an old hand on a budget I reckon you would probably be pretty happy too.

OVERALL SCORES

Quality

Performance

Value for money


Postscript

I note that on Cyclingdeal.com.au this bike (the 2009 model) is presently (mid-December 2009) selling for $900 plus shipping. The 2010 model is now available for $990. The new model seems to be basically the same bike with a new paint job and a remote lock out for the fork.

[Jean]

A few extra photos and points:


As it comes out of the box - fresh from Taiwan.


About 10 minutes later - not ready to ride yet though.


The carbon sleeve head tube setup - just for the head badge as far as I can see.


Aww man, does my bike really say 'wing to the tiger'? Must have seemed like a good idea in Taipei, but some things don't transport well. Headset does its job though.


The Hasa bottom bracket setup. I suppose there's some Hasa engineer who thinks its great, but it seems a bit gimmicky to me. This is the bicycle industry, however, and where would GT be without the 'triple triangle', or Cannondale without the 'headshock' or 'leftie'? On the Hasa the holes you see are plugged with foam rubber bungs, which stay in place (so far) unless someone pokes them saying, 'what are these?' Which has happened several times.


Full final setup atop Mt Stromlo mid-December '09. Took me ages to walk it up there and throw all that dust on

[Jean]

Just a final note as to how the bike has been going.

I have to say that I'm very impressed with this bike. I took delivery about last September and have been using it off road once a week, most weeks, since. On Saturday I did my first XC race on it at Mt Stromlo in Canberra. So from that use I think I can say I know it as well as I'm going to and I've put it through most of the situations it is ever going to face. So far it has handled everything I have asked it to do. The frame is sound, well made and goes where you tell it to. The fork is not the best fork available by any means, but for weekend warrior and entry level XC racing work is quite adequate. If you were so inclined a fork upgrade would not be outlandish in my opinion. The mostly SLX drive train and Juicy 3 brakes still work well.

Some general points:

1. In an over the bars crash a few weeks back I smashed the shift indicator on one of the SLX shifter pods. These shifters can be used with or without the indicators and the swap over is easy. I'm not bothering with indicators now and the shifters work very well. Everything you need for the changeover is in the shifters as they come from Shimano, so no extra outlay, which is nice.

2. As I perhaps predicted above, I have changed over the cranks. The Truvativ Fives were OK, but not very flash and pretty ugly. The cheapo BB they were attached to was not very flash at all. I got some SLX Hollowtech II cranks (and SLX BB) from Ribble and put them on. They feel stiffer (but having paid money maybe I just think that), but regardless they are certainly nice cranks which look much better. They bike looks more 'serious' now.

3. I've made few minor upgrades/customisations: lock on grips; Cateye Micro Wireless computer; Hope aluminium bar ends (for some bling). That's it.

3. The wheels, specifically the hubs, remain the only unknown quantity. The Mavic rims are fine (though the anodising is getting a bit of superficial crazing between the spoke holes - which is new for me. I'm not worrying about it at this point). After some internet detective work I'm almost certain the hubs are made by Joytech in Taiwan. On the internet there is lots of negative vibes about Joytech hubs, but it seems that Joytech make a wide range of stuff, some of which is good quality, some of which is cheap mass produced junk for those sorts of bikes. The internet vibe comes, not surprisingly, from people who have had bad experiences, not good ones.

I've had a bit of trouble getting the adjustment of the hubs just right and I'm wondering whether I should try some different brand cones to see if I get a better result - don't know yet. Freehub longevity is probably the big unknown, but there is no way to predict that so there's no real point worrying about it. All that said though, the wheels are still going round and round and are in good shape. They've handled the singletrack without compliant and are still round and true, so I will keep using them until they die, or the bike is retired, whichever comes first. If they break I'll just build myself some new ones with some XT hubs and probably the same (though new) Mavic 317 rims.

All up I couldn't be happier and cannot think of a reason to be upset about this purchase. I reckon it's a good MTB and if I was looking at buying another MTB tomorrow, Hasa would definitely be on the list and, given the prices, would have to be a hot chance.

Cheers

[Extant]

Hi this is my first time using this site but have the same bike as you Hasa Race 7.0 although my bike has Avid elixir 3s. It is amazing but I have bent the derailleur hanger and was wondering if you know how I could get onto a replacement hanger. My email is XXXXXXXX cheers

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[Jean]

PM sent

[Andy01]

Jean

This popped up after an impressive thread resurrection and I find it quite interesting.

Firstly, I had never even heard of Hasa, and secondly, that you had zero response to it in 11 years - Hasa obviously wasn't too well-know or interesting to many back then either.

I am sort of lazily looking for an upgrade to my $600 Norco MTB - mainly for a better drivetrain and hydraulic brakes. I am a bit odd in that much of my daily ride is on roads and paths, and I cross some rough gravel patches and through a mostly dry creek bed - so I want a bike with front suspension and a bit of off-road ability, but also the ability to reach decent road speeds (for a MTB) of around 45km/h.

Looking at the Cyclingdeal website at Hasa there are a couple of interesting looking and competitively priced options.

The first one that popped up was a Hasa Gallop 5.0 and it seems to be an interesting beast and somewhat different to any other MTB that I looked at in the last few months (Giant, Trek, Norco, Merida, Specialised, Polygon, Vitus etc) - this bike has a Shimano 40-30-22T crankset (which I never knew existed for MTBs anyway), a Shimano Deore 10 speed 11-36T cassette (which I never knew existed for MTBs anyway - 11-42T & 11-46T are common), Shimano Deore & SLX derailleurs, and Shimano hydraulic brakes.

This would give me around 48km/h (at a decent 90rpm cadence) and still some low speed capability. This spec is completely different to anything I have seen on any other bike manufacturer's website but it does make me a bit nervous that I have never even heard of many of these particular components so I don't know if they are old models and no longer available, or if they are maybe road bike components (drivetrain) that have been fitted to a MTB, or if the spec is even correct since there is a few differences ti the Hasa website ? Most other manufacturer's of MTBs in the $1100 range are generally a 1x drivetrain in either 10 or 11 speed (generally 28T -32T front chainring), and geared for a maximum speed of around 32-35km/h (at a 90rpm cadence).

One thing that is completely missing from their (Cyclingdeal) website is any geometry numbers which is quite important to me since I am only 1.65m so standover height etc is important (especially on a 29er). There is some basic geometry on the Hasa website but it is pretty incomplete (and no standover etc). The Hasa website also lists a Deore front derailleur (not a SLX model) and a 11-36T (not 10T-36T) cassette.

Given that you bought this 26" MTB a number of years ago, what are your opinions of the bike now ? Did it go the distance, were the parts "oddball" or were they readily available etc, what was the seller like to deal with etc ?

I suppose the obvious question is - would you buy another Hasa MTB ?

[Jean]

Wow, holy thread revival, Batman.

The Hasa was OK, and a reasonable introduction to MTBing. The components were OK for the price point and some of them live on today in my spares box and other bikes. The stock wheels, as they very often are, were pretty average. The frame developed a crack in the weld where the top tube joined the seat tube (there was a brace there if you look at the photos) and was replaced under warranty. The replacement frame then suffered the same failure. A second replacement frame was supplied (a different, titanium, frame as the original was no longer available), but I never built it up and sold it on eBay.

The failure was a fault, I suppose, but I was/am a heavy rider and me bouncing around on the seat was likely a contributing factor as it would have flexed the seat tube and the welded joint was no doubt being stressed. A lighter rider may never have had a problem. I went onto another hardtail where the seat stays join the seat tube above the top tube join, so there is a support to the rear wheel and the top tube joint is not stressed. That bike is still my MTB.

In all this Cycling Deal were good to deal with, and they never quibbled on the warranty stuff. Would I buy another Hasa? It was pretty good value for money and a reasonable bike for my then budget, so if that was my budget again I'd certainly consider it, but it would depend what the other options were and whether I was interested in second hand or not.

[Andy01]

Thanks for the response. Yes, I certainly added to the thread but would never have seen such an old thread if the question above had not been asked

One thing I do find completely bizarre is that Cyclingdeal appear to be the only people who sell these and online only, and they do not list a single geometry measurement for the bikes. Generally the online shops (like Bicyclesonline) are pretty good at giving a complete set of geometry measurements because that is the only way potential customers can assess if the bike will fit or, but not the case with Cyclingdeal.

I looked at the Hasa website and found some measurements but not the standover (which is important since I am only 1.65m with short legs ). I contacted both Cyclingdeal and Hasa asking for some measurements. I pointed out that other manufacturers seem to have a significant range of standover heights for a Small size 15/16" frame - anything from 612mm to 743mm on the bikes I have looked at (with the 29ers being the highest generally).

Cyclingdeal responded quite quickly saying that they have no measurements and since the bikes are inside boxes they cannot get them, and couldn't refer me anywhere else to get them. They also said that their "Gallop 5.0" was a 2019 model so it is different from the 2021 model on the Hasa website anyway.

No response from Hasa.

A red flag for me (apart from the complete lack of critical information) is the fact that they still have 2019 (a year pre-Covid) stock when everyone else is (or has been) stocked out.

So, in spite of the bike looking like it has some quite nice specs I think I will pass because I have no idea if it will fit me.

Thanks

[Jean]

Good reason to move on. Fit is fundamental.